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New People’s Action Party (PAP) candidate, Dr Janil Puthucheary, says that he “felt it was important to step up and stand forward to advocate on behalf of those who can’t do so for themselves, or aren’t heard.” He was responding to a question posed to him on his Facebook page on what he thought of Mr Chen Show Mao (Workers’ Party’s potential candidate) serving his National Service (NS), while he did not.
“I did not do NS, Mr Chen did, those are the facts, yes,” he said.
Dr Janil is 38-years old and is a pediatrician. He received his Singapore citizenship three years ago.
Mr Chen, 50, was born in Taiwan and moved to Singapore when he was 11-years old. Mr Chen had volunteered to serve his NS before he became a Singapore citizen in 1986.
The comparison between the two men have led to criticisms of Dr Janil not doing what most Singaporean men are required by law to do – dedicating two years of their lives to serving the nation. As the criticisms mounted, Dr Janil finally responded in late March. According to the local press, he was reported thus:
“…As for criticism that he did not serve national service, as he became a Singapore citizen at the age of 35, the pediatrician said he has been in public service: ‘I’ve spent the last 10 years saving kids’ lives.’”
This led to further outrage as critics saw his answer as equating what he does as a profession to what Singaporeans do as an act of patriotism, besides the fact that as a pediatrician he is paid more than the average NSman.
In his reply on his Facebook page, while acknowledging that Mr Chen has done his NS and he did not, Dr Janil seems to avoid commenting any further than that.
National Service is not the only controversy surrounding the new PAP face who is expected to be fielded as a PAP candidate in Pasir Ris-Punngol GRC, under the wings of Deputy Prime Minister Teo Chee Hean.
In an earlier interview, he was asked if he was angry about the 10-month detention of his father, Mr Dominic Puthucheary, under the Internal Security Act (ISA) in 1963. Dr Janil said he “could not express any anger for that.” He said “it was something… that happened in the long history that we were told about. It wasn’t something that we lived with or we knew of ourselves.” He seemed to pledge support for the ISA, despite what his father had gone through, when he said, “The potential uses for that law after 9/11 are very different. I may philosophically argue with some aspects of policy. But the philosophy is not as important as the pragmatic implications for our state, security and country.” (Asia One)
His remarks were criticised, particularly by online commentators, for seemingly supporting the stand that things like the right to an open trial, access to counsel, and burden of proof, were not important as important as the “pragmatic implications for our state.”
On his Facebook page, Dr Janil also said he is giving his first speech (as an MP) “a lot of thought”. But he said “this is premature” as he has not been elected or even nominated yet.
He says his focus now is to “demonstrate” his sincerity and “earn the trust of the residents.”
Dr Janil’s latest comments on his lack of a National Service stint will probably fuel more criticisms. It is left to be seen if the PAP will address this head-on. The party has so far kept mum about it.
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April 15, 2011 at 1:00 am
the way i see it:
no ns, no mp, no respect, no go
when we sing those army songs, doing road marches, standby, late nights in the field, wearing those crappy steel made helmets, we know, this land of ours, yes,this land called Singapore, is ours and its ours only.
so to this asshole, he can get the hell out of here for all i care. i will vote against the pap, even when i am not staying in where he is contesting. i am totally against the idea of him representing us.
April 15, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Like in the pte sector, u allow one ah neh fm India to sneak in, he’ll start to bring in his brothers, uncles, cousins, fellow villagers…etc
Fuck these foreign ah nehs, they shd get the fuck out of SG !
April 20, 2011 at 10:53 am
hey singapolang, don’t be so racist. every singaporean has ancestors from other countries.
April 21, 2011 at 1:58 pm
pssst. somebody gonna get a hurt REAL BAD.
cue sedition.
April 22, 2011 at 1:39 am
It’s nice to see such racially unbiased, morally upright people still exist. I’m just glad that your opinion would generally count for nothing in our country and especially these elections. Perhaps you would like to tell Janil what you want face to face?
Cheers
April 22, 2011 at 11:46 am
Very sad that you think this way. I would pray for you my friend. You should be the first one inside ISA if you carry on like this. Please don’t
April 24, 2011 at 10:21 pm
Please take note that there is some neutral people reading this, you do the opposition no good. After reading your comment, they may vote for PAP. Are you a PAP spy?
April 15, 2011 at 11:43 pm
National Service is part of every male Singaporean. It a stint that all fellow Singaporean Brothers go through it to have an uniformity in our mindset on how we want this little land of ours to be free through our duty. NS is not only the 2.5 years of our lives that we have gave but the 13 cycles of Reservist duties till you are 40.
So, if a Singaporean male wants to be a leader of this nation, it is fair and logic that he must have served NS as what his fellow Singaporean male has gone through unless he is medically classified as unfit to serve NS. Dr Pudu looks very fit.
This will be an unremovable stain on Dr Pudu’s political career in Singapore which he has to carry with himself. It will be a constant sore thumb for him. It is good that he volunteers to step down on this issue as a candidate and serve the society in other various ways where he will command greater admiration and respect.
My Stand : Only Indigenous Singaporean Male Who Have Served NS Should Stand For Elections!!
April 23, 2011 at 3:35 pm
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Being a Singaporean male, the basic requirement is to serve NS. A Singasporean male will not have the right to represent Singaporeans if he has not done his NS. It’s very difficult for us to accept him as our potential political leader if he has not done the fundamentals.
April 24, 2011 at 9:52 pm
They never listened and they never will. I really feel Dr Janil should go and do his NS first before anything else to talk about. All my six brothers and now my two sons went thru NS. All lost out to others without NS liabilities in so many ways.
May 4, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Too many Malaysians are occupying high end jobs by usage of S-pass,work permits.They came from Serawak,Kelantan and Sabah.The posts they occupied are directors,Human Resource Managers,Executive,Bank Executives and many more.
Some of the PRs stay in Malaysia but worked in Singapore.How are these people qualified as a Singapore PR?.They spend their money in Malaysia which they earn in Singapore everyday.How does this contribute to the Singapore’s economy?
I remember trying to apply a job as a technician, and this HR manager talked in arrogant manner and reject a Singaporean.
He later employ a Malaysian who speaks English like a primary school student.
The sacrifice we endured during NS is a big one,the older we get,the tougher it goes,some of us in the infantry still keep on the fighting spirit.You foreigners may ridicule our NS,but know this,when the time comes,event.. such as the Japanese invasion or other hostile country intention to attack, you will be the first to flee,while people like me and my NS brothers will gladly sacrifice our life to defend the country!
May 4, 2011 at 11:22 pm
I think Puthucheary should be put in office, made Defence Minister and then abolish NS liability for all Singaporeans. He’s the perfect spokesperson for NS abolishment, since he’s clearly not for NS at all. If he steps in and makes that his mandate – I will vote for the dude!
April 15, 2011 at 1:45 am
if dr Puthu is sincere about serving this NATION,he should find any excuses – however and whatever – not to offer himself up for NS.
AFTERALL,he is realtively young adn still healthy.
There is no need to undergo the full course,just that for medical officers.the basics where he could learn how to defend the country and protect himself in wartime?
NS is the highest ‘sacrifice’ any make singaporean can offer up for his fellow countrymen,no less.
how could any guy wanting to serve residents and thus,the country,the NATION, find excuses not to serve NS ?
where is his sincerity in truth?
come on,dr,you still got time,GO SERVE NS FIRST!
and,you can come back 5 years later?
how’s that for you?
April 15, 2011 at 1:46 am
Don’t really see why NS is such a big deal. Female MPs also don’t do NS what. NS has no effect on whether you will be a good MP or not. I think Sporean males are just jealous and resentful that someone else managed to get out of NS.
April 15, 2011 at 8:57 am
“Don’t really see why NS is such a big deal. Female MPs also don’t do NS what. NS has no effect on whether you will be a good MP or not. I think Sporean males are just jealous and resentful that someone else managed to get out of NS.”
yes indeed, therefore since it is exactly as you said,
Puthucheary will be doing NS, while some other medical doctor will be getting out of it.
Puthucheary will not be jealous or resentful, because he is planning to be an MP at the same time as signing up for NS.
the other doctor who is getting out of it will not be jealous or resentful, because he just gotten out.
Action breeds reaction.
his action was timing his citizenship just nicely.
this is our reaction. we see through it.
April 22, 2011 at 11:50 am
It is as much as symbolic as true and real demonstration of son of the land. We don’t have civil war akin to US or great democratic breakthrough of India etc.
We have those in smaller fashion but one of the things new generation come to accept as a synbol is NS.
I am not sure why PAP took this risk – as it is bound to surface and they have to defend.
April 15, 2011 at 9:38 am
Boliao, you are either
1) a VERY VERY young kid (read generation z) who does not think before writing down their thoughts
2) you are just a PAP lacky.
3) You are not a Singaporean.
Patriotism does not equate to professionalism.
Think of it as armed mercenaries in the filed of battle.
As professionals, they are paid to fight. However, If the employer does not pay, they renegade on the contract.
Patriotism? Well, I’ll let you go find out then.
April 22, 2011 at 7:23 am
Well said
April 16, 2011 at 5:37 am
are you ok or not?
April 21, 2011 at 2:04 pm
yea… girls should serve NS also. why not? i’m sure there are less physically demanding national service options. teaching (or tuition), healthcare, counselling and therapy, deskjobs in Ministries, CCs, etc. can even think of it as an extension of the CIP/CEP or service CCAs from sec sch.
the point is to involve all citizens in serving the nation, to increase public service manpower at decreased cost, to give all a stake in the nation. i personally know many female friends who feel disadvantaged from not getting to serve some form of NS. this is essentially institutionalised sexism.
April 25, 2011 at 4:49 pm
If you have not done NS, you have no right to your comment. Just shut up.
April 15, 2011 at 1:47 am
I know you have been busy saving lives for the past 10 years, so are our boys who are doctors, yet they did NS. Hey, but did you save lives for free?
April 15, 2011 at 3:43 am
mr/ms boliao, its not about whether we’re resentful that he escaped ns.
It is the condescending manner in which he belittles the efforts and sacrifices for this great land of ours that generations of nsmen have made and he, who simply scooted here for barely a few years, takes for granted and shrugs it off, makes me extremely insulted.
April 15, 2011 at 8:56 am
Aiyo, all he said was that he had been saving children for the past ten years. Not the best answer, yes, but how can you infer that he is belittling nsmen and taking them for granted?
I think he was just trying to say that while he didn’t serve NS, he had been doing something socially useful and contributing to Singapore in his own way. He never said that it was the same as NS.
Does it mean that just because someone didn’t contribute in the past (by serving NS), he should not be allowed to contribute in the future (as an MP)? Makes no sense.
April 15, 2011 at 8:59 am
‘Does it mean that just because someone didn’t contribute in the past (by serving NS), he should not be allowed to contribute in the future (as an MP)? Makes no sense.’
excellent recommendation! Dr Janil can contribute to the future as an NSboy now, and be an MP too.
that way, Singapore gains everything it is due to gain, and not just half.
April 15, 2011 at 2:36 pm
yes. u r right. he did not serve ns, he is a new citizen for less than 3 years and yes, he is not welcomed to be an mp.
singapore politics is for singapore, not new citizens. go and serve another 5 years in grassroots then consider him as a candidate again.
it is not too late to wait another 5 years if he has the commitment and drive to serve the people and the country.
April 21, 2011 at 9:37 am
You’re pap lackeys! Problem is he only becomes sporean after pap get him to do so. He has been here for only 10 yrs, not becos he loves spore, but he can make more $ here. He may not even qualify as candidates as min. stay is 10 yrs, dun tell me he dun leave spore for even a day! why should we be govern by a 2-3 yr old sporean, i dun trust him and very suspicious of his real motive. if he gets into our parliament, it’s tool ate. I will not vote for pap bcos of such idiot candidates. he can continue to “save kids”, lol, what a joker!
April 22, 2011 at 1:48 am
Dear Ian, by this argument, then Mr Chen of Workers Party should also be scrutinised. Even after having become a Singaporean he decided to leave our country and work overseas. After turning 50 he decided to come back and serve the people. During this time he was away did he do any reservist? I doubt it.
My point here is that if you can accept Mr Chen as a candidate then Mr Janil is also an equally qualified person. Especially since he has not left the country to work abroad after becoming a citizen.
Its best to look at their qualities as a person and their interaction with ppl rather than say he did not do NS so he should not serve.
DO you think the soldier who got caught with his maid carrying his backpack is a potential future MP candidate because he served NS? Think about it for a minute and do not climb on the bashing bandwagon.
April 22, 2011 at 3:00 am
Mr Chen took up citizenship in 1986 after serving his NS. There is simply no comparison with this fellow.
April 24, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Boliao, You may not have done NS and you don’t know the sacrific our NS men had made. I witnessed my section mate had face blown up by mortar during exercise face disfigured for life. Just one example, many more, even lost lives. We respect these men as our own Singaporean, sir.
April 15, 2011 at 4:32 am
“I did not do NS, Mr Chen did, those are the facts, yes,” he said.
wahhh! so fcuking cocky this ah neh….
April 15, 2011 at 2:28 pm
You can say that again man, most ah nehs from India r damn fucking cocky, even more so after all and sundry were branded “foreign talent” by chao gahmen.
April 16, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Its not cocky. He’s admitting honestly that he did not serve NS, and is not trying to hide it. For those clamouring for him to serve NS, please use your brains. He is already way past the age to serve NS, and even if he starts serving now, what good will a 35+ man do in NS? We enlist people at 18 years old for a reason.
April 16, 2011 at 3:01 pm
You must a screwed up headed person…at 38 is not possible to serve NS? We are still doing in camp training till 40!
April 16, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Your brain rusty eh, or are u a PR? i served till 42. this way past the age to served, yeh lied low when at younger age to escaped ns.10 years in Sin. Nothing new i had know many PRs doing this trick for years.Fight for us?cheap. scumbag
April 19, 2011 at 12:25 am
Ok. You start training now at 38. You train for 2 years. You spend so much money on a guy, then let him serve reservist for 5 years? I rather donate to charity, help those really in need.
April 19, 2011 at 1:07 am
Let’s give him BMT 3 month (cost =$1.2k), then make him OCS trainee attach to medic corps for 9months and a officer for the remaining time (cost ~15k). In meantime, we use him to do ops etc. Assume he earns 5k a month (must be higher) now doing medical work. Then, we gain $43.8k (60k-16.2k) from him. How can we lose out in that case?
May 4, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Hmmm… Brandon, seems like you also think that this “holy life saving” fellow is useless even if he served NS.. then he should continue to go save lives with good income… i think he is eyeing for million dollar income, not just an MP.. serving people? wait longl long lah… i have worked with many “foreign talent” ah nehs, seems like all the same, never change… no hope…
April 22, 2011 at 11:52 am
I agree – he is answering frankly, honestly and we should respect that.
April 24, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Even at 40 reservist, we’ll need to defend the nation in times of conflict be prepared to lose limb or life. Go do NS.
April 23, 2011 at 12:36 am
Ah Neh is as offensive as calling someone a Chink or slit eyed Chink. You probably feel at home with the China Chinks.
April 15, 2011 at 7:55 am
No NS = No Reservist = No ICT, IPPT, RT … ?!
April 15, 2011 at 11:37 am
WAY TO GO BRO!
April 15, 2011 at 3:27 pm
on top of that war comes to us. they will flee from us.
lets not kid ourselves. they are only here for the benefit. citizen for 2 years. are u willing to give your life for the country already?
some people we know who are singaporeans gave their life for the country in NS.
NS not important? think again.
April 15, 2011 at 7:58 am
He should have taken this approach earlier instead of trying to argue his way out.
For his non–NS status, let DEFENCE minister Teo Chee Hean DEFEND him.
Voters can then decide if they still want Teo Chee Hean.
April 15, 2011 at 8:09 am
Ok, if you discount all the people who did n’t serve NS to the full, those who were Downgraded or hardly served due to all the MC’s etc, the few were were not asked to serve( yes there are those) the women and th new citizens; those who are in the civil service apparently not eligible also, those who are under 30 are too young, those over 70 too old. Those who came from ‘elitist’ backrounds also no good. Those who are lawyers doctors, ex army also cannot. Also cannot have bought any designer goods ever. Also cannot aspire to go to universal studios. Then there are all those who just talk and don’t actually do anything substantial, just sit back and criticize. Wondering how many of those giving feedback make it onto this approved list.
April 22, 2011 at 1:56 am
A thinking brain among an otherwise expected hating crowd. Kudos.
April 15, 2011 at 8:11 am
PAP or oppostion, any male MP candidate who does not serve NS will not get my vote.
April 15, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Go one better – in a time of war do not obey an order of a commander who has not gone through the same things that you have!
April 15, 2011 at 8:43 am
Vote out Teo Chee Hean & his bunch at Pasir Ris-Punggol GRC.
Defence Minister my foot !!
If I were Defence Minister, I’ll slap Puthucheary in the face for having the cheek to come for tea. By the way who invited him ? Slap the fellow too.
No NS, no votes for you. You have a son Puthucheary? Ask him to do double NS to payback for you. Then we’ll vote for HIM, NOT FOR YOU…
April 15, 2011 at 8:48 am
is he applying to do NS?
if he does that, he effectively contributes One Singaporean Citizen’s worth of NS load, so that there will be slightly less load for the rest of the less-fortunate Singaporean Citizens to bear.
if not, I suppose different people have different importances and priorities in life. NS is meant for Singaporean Citizens to do, and there are enough of these people to fill up the NS spaces so that he can concentrate on other stuff he likes to do.
April 15, 2011 at 9:04 am
Harlo what talking you. How will it reduce other Singaporean’s burden if he serves NS? You mean to say if he does NS, then some other Singaporean can escape NS, or serve for shorter period? Of course not.
Like I said, all these anger against Janil seems to be based in pure jealousy and bitterness. You lost two years of your life to NS, so you want everyone else to do so too. Never mind that he can better serve Singapore as an MP than as an NSman.
April 15, 2011 at 11:47 am
You are right. Many had responded in anger. The heart of the matter is that a “new citizen” has managed to come in and automatically assumes the mantle of a leader by announcing he is a fully committed Singaporean. Yet, his history does not match his words. He did not bother to explain why he skipped it, and he brushes it off with the usual “lets move on” stance. It makes me wonder about his commitment to Singapore and doubt his words.
April 15, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Boliao really boliao or not singaporean… ?It is an important attribute of a male mp to serve NS coz indeed the boys of our country has served 2 years of their life…FREE…And I think a man is only a true man if he has served the NS. How can you call yourself a Singaporean man if you have not served NS?? I think him equating saving kids lives for past ten years to serving NS is rather distasteful.
April 15, 2011 at 3:33 pm
hey boliao. tell what you said to the parents whom kids lost their life in NS.
tell them NS is not important or that we are jealous that we lost 2 years of our lives to NS.
if NS is all about that i really don’t mind but because when u serve ur NS, u do not even bother to think if it is necessary or what u are doing.
u are just another lost soul in our country.
April 17, 2011 at 10:22 am
Wouldn’t it be better if he continues serving as a doctor?
And if he really, really wants to do something for the country, he can start by lowering his fees
May 3, 2011 at 11:25 am
http://natgeotv.com/asia/every-singaporean-son
This will open the flood gates for many prominent people to have their children skip NS altogether. NS is a rite of passage. Much like your vote, each person is entitled to one vote. One chance to serve your nation as an equal during NS. To my dead friend who died (exploded shell) just before ROD, this is an outrage.
April 15, 2011 at 9:09 am
This clown is not even elected yet already acting so cocky. save babies = NS? so if my son want to be a life-guard, can he excuse NS? fireman, policemen, nurses, SOS social workers, pharmacists, fitness trainers wanna-be etc etc all can ask for NS deferment or claim to have done his NS-equivalent liabilitiy?
let me tell you what we NSmen will say when we are doing the NS-time – “F**K You, understand!”
April 15, 2011 at 9:13 am
He cab still volunteer as an MO in any reservist unit for the next 13 years given that the majority of S’pore men gave more time than that. It’s a good discount which the new citizen/MP/life saver should not refuse. S\pore has been kind to him, pay back. After all, he is from the pay and pay group.
April 15, 2011 at 9:20 am
There are numerous Operationally NSMen who have volunteered to continue their stint even though they have completed their ICT cycles. And in recent memories, there was an NSF who volunteered to extend his active duty by another 6 months when he completed his NS and due for ORD.
The avenue is always open for Dr Janil to volunteer for NS even though he is past the statutory age for enlistment. If he is willing to serve, I’m sure MINDEF will be happy to oblige since they have accepted the volunteerism of many Singapore sons to extend their NS stint.
If volunteering in the army may be too tough for him due to his age, how about the Civil Defence ? Aterall, he is a trained doctor and his skills are very relevant in Civil Defence.
April 21, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Totally agree on the comment that Mindef and Def Minister should say something about this NS issue. I remember some time back a famous musician was refused to play in Singapore or being fined simply becos he sort of escape NS or reservist despite his worldwide frame. Altht this guy pass his NS enlistment window, if hes serious to serve, even as Non-combat NS doctor like a DSO etc would help. So talk about his sacrifice then on his monthly salary if he now do NS!! kekeke
April 15, 2011 at 9:20 am
aiya! call him go serve ns now lo. then can come out be MP lo. But then again, older MPs also nv serve what. Then why they can be MP?!
April 15, 2011 at 9:43 am
Looks like Mr Chen is the new standard for the MP calibre. In football analogy, star striker for the new team. However, a team is made up of 5 so hopefully, the remaining members avoid getting whacked a la gomez esp in own goals.
The answers by the Dr would not sit well with the electorate. Better explanations need to be tot up prior to the election or its going to get very distracting.
Looks like the PAP is facing a far more effective opposition campaign thus far than in previous rounds. That’s my feel on the ground.
April 15, 2011 at 9:47 am
Actually, its more than 2 years. The NS period in the old days were longer.
Also the reservist period were the old 13 year cycles. So NS + reservist were far longer than merely 10 years.
NSmen or reservists contributed (and continue to contribute) to Singapore security over a far longer period of time (which would have been the case if Mr Chen was in Singapore for reservist).
It can be read that some new citizens do not realise the continuing efforts of NSmen/reservist including RTs, chiong swa etc. Sad esp if these are going to be new leaders of Singapore.
April 15, 2011 at 10:03 am
Dear Boliao,
You are certainly entitled to your opinions. However, in my view, Janil Puthucheary has lost all his credibility. Here are the reasons why.
1) Dubious Nature of Citizenship
Janil Puthucheary obtained Singapore citizenship at the age of 35. This also happens to be the age when new citizens can be exempted from NS.
In the opinion of many locals, this seems as if he has intentionally used the loopholes in the system to dodge the national duties of a Singaporean. If he intends to play a part in our society, such a move just makes him appear overly scheming and uncommitted. I am not saying that he deliberately did so but evidence suggests that it might be deliberate.
In Singapore, an MP not only has to be morally upright, he has to appear morally upright as well. As such even if his actions were not deliberate, it does not bode well for him.
2) Mismatch between his words and his actions.
In his introduction, Janil Puthtucheary mentioned that Singaporeans should vote for someone who will fight for Singapore and are fully invested. He further claims that he is a person who will FIGHT for Singapore and is FULLY invested. For someone who has not served NS, his words do not match his actions. How can he be fully invested if he does not play a role in defending the nation. If Singapore were to be invaded, many Singaporean males will have to fight for the country but he can easily run away. Do you think he will keep his promises and FIGHT for the country?
3) No common bond.
He is in my eyes a foreigner, a 2 year old citizen who appears to be a draft dodger as well. His experiences may serve him well as a paediatrician but if he doesn’t share anything in common with Singaporeans, why should we vote for him instead of someone else with more roots to local soil. Remember that if he becomes an MP, he denies another more qualified person of the same opportunity. As such, in my view he doesn’t deserve my vote. He mentioned in his speech that we should vote him because he is someone who will truly listen. But wouldn’t it be better to vote from someone who has been through what we have and can not only listen but to emphatise as well? During MPS, an MP will also face citizens with NS issues as well, how can we expect someone who has never served NS to understand what some of these citizens are going through?
4) Appearance of arrogance and downplaying the citizen’s sacrifice
His reply to this particular chip in his armour reeks of arrogance and disdain. It doesn’t matter whether he means it or not. If he is serving the country, he needs the citizens to buy into what he is selling. If he cannot even be diplomatic about something as simple as his credentials, would you trust to have someone like him be diplomatic about issues with greater gravity that would come his way if he were elected as an MP?
5) Scarcity
As I mentioned above, if Janil Puthucheary is elected, he denies someone else who might be in a better position to serve the country. In previous years, Singaporeans may not have as much of a choice in choosing a capable candidate but if you were to scrutinise the competition today, you would realise that the opposition appears to have a credible candidates that the PAP. Wherever, Janil Puthucheary is contesting in, I am pretty sure you would find someone who is more able to FIGHT for this country and someone who is more FULLY invested and maybe even more capable than Janil Puthucheary in the opposition.
You might not be fully convinced by my arguments but I hope that you give it a thought and be able to come to the conclusion that the average voter do have some very valid concerns regarding his candidacy.
April 15, 2011 at 1:06 pm
You guys need to stop making NS the be all and end all of citizenship. Are you saying that since Singaporean females have not served NS before, they will all run away in times of war? Or that you will not vote for a female MP because she has never gone through NS and can never identify with what male citizens went through?
Do you realise that almost every argument levelled against JP can also be levelled against any Singaporean female? It is quite insulting frankly. While I appreciate the sacrifices that Singaporean males have made, you guys need to stop using NS as some kind of barometer of moral worth. Just because someone didn’t serve NS doesn’t mean they are not loyal to Singapore.
April 15, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Hi Serene,
I am not against JP being an MP because he did not serve NS, rather as I have reiterated. I am against
1) What appears to be a deliberate attempt to dodge the draft.
2) The appearance of arrogance and indignance in his reply regading him not serving NS.
3) That he will be denying someone else who might be in a better position to serve as an MP.
4) That he can easily overlook his father’s detention under ISA
5) That I honestly think he would be doing a greater service to the country as a paediatrician and not an MP.
Let’s start with some constructive criticism: How JP could have done better:
1) In his reply he could have said: It is a fact that I didn’t serve NS and I value the sacrifices that Singaporean males have made. Because of this fact, tt will be a tougher road for me to walk but it is one I have chosen nonetheless because I am making a firm commitment to serve this country I now call home.
Instead his reply was: ‘I’ve spent the last 10 years saving kids’ lives. Certainly not very diplomatic isn’t it?
2) I have not mentioned anything about female MPs. Women in Singapore have a different role to serve and it is important to have female MPs who can relate to female voters, who can empathise and stand up for their rights. JP, unfortunately, is not the make equivalent of such an MP. I have scutinised his speech and his youtube introduction video. All I can say is that I am not convinced that he is the best person to represent us.
April 15, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Hey Lam, I like your arguments totally. Oh and one more point, I am not gonna pay someone $15k per month for him to not understand issues at the ground because he is simply so cocky in his replies. Sounds like an elite, I am uncomfortable.
Serene, female in Singapore has a different role to play definitely e.g. in wartime while the men go protect the country, the women protect the home and children, those who know first aid can help with the injured etc…I am sure Singaporean female WILL NOT run away! And I do not think the comments here are insulting females whatsoever. In fact, if you would like to better understand what the men has gone through, you could go sign on with SAF and serve NS too! Think they have this now.
April 16, 2011 at 12:31 pm
1)Even if you become a citizen at 33, you are not required to serve as a reservist because you have not been trained at all. There is no draft dodging here, get your facts right before condemning other people.
2)He was not arrogant, He was simply admitting that he did not serve it, watch the video and learn to understand the word “context”
3)A MP is someone who can serve the people, and what has he done to show you he is incapable? Not serve NS. How is that even related at all?
4)His father’s detention was a lawful detention and you don’t go against the law.
5)He is not saying that a paediatrician is more important in NS. He is saying that he can’t make up for NS, but he has saved lives for 10 years.
Please, be a bit more objective and listen/read in context. Then maybe the opposition and their supporters won’t make me cringe whenever they come up with weak arguements
April 18, 2011 at 4:12 pm
“His father’s detention was a lawful detention and you don’t go against the law.”
Lol. With your indulgence Brandon Ngo, I wish to send you Robespierrean France, where you can enjoy life under the Law of 22 Priarial.
April 24, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Truly said.
April 16, 2011 at 4:17 am
Not serving NS Does Not Equate to Not Required to serve NS. Let that rest!
Don’t lower the Singaporean female who has someone dear who served NS compared to a “Possible” deliberate NS Avoider who is arrogant in his attitude, who is Highly Paid for his 10 hrs saving children & who I suspect, will have communication problems understanding “Veteran” Singaporeans due to cultural upbringing differences.
In my honest opinion, even my grandma & mother has better understanding about NS than he does….. PERIOD!
April 16, 2011 at 2:18 pm
excuse me, we work more than 10 hours a day!
April 18, 2011 at 12:26 pm
ok, many doctors work more than 10hrs a day. so does alot of other professions. in NS, we wake up at 5.30am and do not stop working for the miserable pittance until 6pm (provided no night exercise), + saturdays + guard duties etc. IT people work 24/7! maid works 24/7 lock in employers home…. the point is this low EQ doctor Janil better learn a bit of empathy and don’t talk and think as if he belongs to an upper caste to the rest.
April 24, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Again they go! Each blind feeling the elephant.
April 16, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Serene, this is not a guys’ issue. Just like bashing Tin Pei Ling for her immaturity and warped “not the government’s responsibility” logic.
The fact remains that PAP conscripts all Singaporean males on the justification that NS is essential for the defence of our country.
Janil chose not to do NS because he saw his self-interest better served by evading NS rather than to learn to defend this country.
For that self-serving reson, he should not not fielded as a candidate. He should continue to save the babies as he proudly claimed.
April 18, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Well said ordinary SG gal!
April 18, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Serene,
Don’t be a dufus.
We are against MEN who have not served NS from entering parliament.
MEN MEN MEN.
April 20, 2011 at 5:17 am
Hi Serene,
I can understand your frustrations. However, please understand that The National Services done by the men of Singapore are something that cannot beexplained by words. It is a journey that most of us will cherish, despite all the set-backs, extras (duties), early book-in etc, throughout our lifes. There is nothing disrespectful to the female of Singapore when we appeared to talk a lot about NS – in fact this a barometre that we will use, from then until NS is no longer reuqired in Singapore – which I really doubt – in gauging our future male leaders.
Though the female of Singapore has not done the “physical” aspect of Ns, they contributed much in other ways – for those who can study, they will contribute to the economy 2 or 2.5 years earlier than the male counterparts. For those who cannot study and had to start working, they contribute in economy as a steady supply of workforce.
The NS is a part of Singapore way of life, whether you are male or female, so long as you are the citizen, you will experience it – either directly (as NSF) or indirectly (start to wrok earlier or being the girlfriend of NSF). Ask those who experienced it, and you will know or start to comprehend it.
April 24, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Hear, hear!! Now he’s being compared with women not doing NS. Women don’t do NS, not required to do so becos they are women. Every young man in Singapore gone thru NS will feel different, everyone and will not defend this argument of yours, ma’am.
April 16, 2011 at 12:26 am
Well said, Lam! Clear and concise arguments. Bravo!
April 15, 2011 at 10:07 am
The PAP makes a big mistake in fielding new citizen who has not served any NS. We Singaporeans took strong pride in doing our NS even though some may think it was a waste of time. The NS took away the prime time of our youth. Yet, the new citizens took a short cut up the corporate world without doing NS. We should not allow that!
April 15, 2011 at 10:11 am
Why are new citizens more equal than any of us?
April 16, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Because they are talents that the PAP wants and we are the donkeys who keep voting in the elites to lord over us?
April 15, 2011 at 10:12 am
I don’t think much of a person who claims he has saved many kids’ lives when he does not know how much HIS MOTHER CRIED when the father when to jail and she was left to fend for herself and her kids! Yes! We need talented people to serve the nation! Yes! We need people with the moral ethics and right values. ??So where is THIS MAN’S TALENT? Where is his moral values when he can’t even show his gratitude to his parents who had suffered so much…where is is filial piety? Kenneth and Philip Jeyaratnam are 10 times more talented and true-blooded Singaporeans..did they join PAP ??
April 15, 2011 at 10:23 am
You people talk so much also no use. Be it he serve NS or not, save lives or not, stomp the feet or not, he will still get elected as a MP under the GRC system. Life is just unfair.
And also, there isn’t much talent in singapore, therefore we have to sort out foreign talents, get them citizenship and let them be in the parliment too!! That is life in Singapore!
Welcome to Singapore, the Global City!
April 15, 2011 at 10:42 am
I would like my parliamentary representation to have served NS before representing me.
This is because the PAP always emphasizes that NS is a great equalizer — apparently being able to bring people from diverse backgrounds together in a common bond to serve the country.
The PAP Govt also touts NS as a rite of passage. How can we allow male MPs should have not gone through this rite of passage to lead?
I am merely using the PAP Govt’s own logic that NS is a cornerstone of nation building. Applying the same logic, all male MPs should have served NS.
April 15, 2011 at 10:43 am
Did a google on Janil Puthucheary and found his profile on the singhealth website: http://www.singhealth.com.sg/Careers/SingHealth-Trailblazers/Doctors/Pages/Home.aspx
Other than his professional and academic pursuits at KKH and Duke-NUS Graduate Medical School, it seems that he had also been active in humanitarian efforts during the 2004 Aceh Tsunami and 2006 Yogyarkata Earthquake. It does not seem to me that he belongs in the mould of pure mercenary doctors like Susan Lim.
I think we should go beyond whether he’s served NS or not. Through his volunteer work, he had probably made larger contributions to the community than most of us did. And having pledged himself to be a Singapore citizen, we should be happy that the goodwill he had accrued in his private capacity then at Acheh and Yogyarkata can now be recognised in the name of Singapore. Shouldn’t that also be considered a form of servitude to this country?
He may not be a natural politician now, hence his “gaffe” which has annoyed many. He will probably learn to be more “polished”. But I don’t think he’s shady nor shabby. Why don’t we all just look beyond the NS issue?
April 15, 2011 at 11:17 am
Looking beyond the issue of NS, YES, if I do not have to serve NS! All S’porean man will tell you how what sort of shit life NS is and the sacrifices we have to make long after the 2.5 years.
April 24, 2011 at 10:54 pm
Please ‘look beyond the NS issue’ easy after NS done.
April 15, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Dear Beyond NS,
You do have some valid points there regarding his service in Aceh and Yogyarkata. This qualifies him as a good humanitarian but does he need to take up service as an MP? Wouldn’t his time be better spent doing humanitarian services?
I personally do not mind that he didn’t serve NS, what I mind is that he appears to have dodged the draft intentionally. I also mind the fact that he’s only a 2 year old citizen. Apart from that, I also mind that he isn’t diplomatic enough in his speech and that his words do not match his actions. I don’t want to go into the areas where he broke a promise to his wife and that his father was charged under ISA, but many citizens mind that as well.
I am not against him as an individual, I am against him being our MP. I appreciate his services to the nation as a paediatrician, a humanitarian. Singapore benefits from having an extra humanitarian and a paediatrician. But we only have 87 seats available for MPs and I’d rather a more qualified, capable and empathetic person by my MP.
Dr. Janil Puthucheary, thanks for your services to the nation, for your next act of service to the nation, maybe you’d like to give up your place to someone who would make better use of that seat you are intending to take.
April 15, 2011 at 11:32 am
@ Lam,
Well said… Couldn’t agree more with the points u highlighted.
One thing for sure is that any right minded, intelligent & pragmatic person would surely do is to read the fine print of the policies, obligations, requirements of any country he/she wants to become a citizen of BEFORE jumping into it…
In this case, it does indeed seem a little too coincidental that he jumped in after the cut off age.
But again, cannot blame him, if I were to migrate to Australia or any other country I would do the same to circumvent or any avoidable obligations as a new system… What is for sure though is that as a new citizen I would not after having taken advantage of the system then expect other true blue citizens to “appreciate” my “contributions” to society.. Or in this case take on a task/job which puts me under such scrutiny.
In any case, I seriously doubt as a new citizen I will be very representative of the average Australian were I to be “chosen” by the ruling party as the next 4G leadership. Even though I do enjoy having a prawn on the barbie with my Vic bitter.
I’d know Better to just simply enjoy my life as a new citizen, pay my taxes on time and stay low profile..
From this perspective I just feel that criticisms leveled at Dr puthi are par for the course. It is part & parcel of the job he chose to undertake.
April 15, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Most honest post so far. I’m sure any Singaporean male posting here would have avoided NS if they were given a choice. There are extremely few people who would voluntarily give up two years of their life (Chen Show Mao being one of the rare exceptions – and he totally deserves props for that).
And it is even more difficult to volunteer for NS when you are already in your mid-30s and have a family to provide for.
April 15, 2011 at 2:49 pm
@ serene, honestly, no.
there are a lot who accepts national service and the need for national service.
and there are a lot who colunteered to extend their reservist after the end of the cycle. my friends and i are one of the many.
so your comments is not fair to the MEN in this country, who have served the nation.
i assume that you are a lady thus you will never understand the difficult times we had in the army
April 15, 2011 at 6:23 pm
I think Mr Chen was not an exception. I’ve two Secondary school friends, one from neighbouring country and the other further north. They both volunteered to serve NS before becoming citizen. Their reason was simple. NS is part of Singaporean men identity. They knew it and they wanted to contribute. One of them even went on to become an outstanding officer, coming out top in OCS. I think it is personal conviction when you choose to serve NS and be a Singaporean. If you choose to become Singaporean and not to serve NS, it does not make you a bad person. It just make you a “bad” Singaporean men. Because you don’t really identify well with the other Singaporean men.
April 16, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Have to agree, i finished my 2.5 years and 13 year cycle. Made lots of friends during that time. Yes the training was hard, but you know what? you are right, if i could have gotten out of it, i would have.
yes there are a small demographic that want to serve beyond anything, most of us just wanted to get on with our lives either going to university of getting a job.
April 15, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Beyond NS: “He may not be a natural politician now, hence his “gaffe” which has annoyed many. He will probably learn to be more “polished”. But I don’t think he’s shady nor shabby. Why don’t we all just look beyond the NS issue?”
So you’re implying that for Puthucheary to become a “natural politician” and become more “polished”, we should vote him into office and allow him to “blossom” to his full potential?
April 15, 2011 at 12:26 pm
…said he has been in public service: ‘I’ve spent the last 10 years saving kids’ lives.’”
Wow, we all should be grateful then,,,in the cafe of Saigon drinking coffee where people like us travel to support better life for our family, u know. The simple people. I recall a tale where the brain, eyes, ears,,parts of the body argue who among them is the greatest. The asshole stop works for few days and won. …
April 15, 2011 at 1:15 pm
@Lam
Well thought-out pointers n presentations…
I also agree that his “timely” conversion into our citizenship does get on e raw nerve of us NSmen.
From what i experienced at IPT at Khatib Camp, apparently there’s also a doctor(MO) doing the IPT with me at the time. This is a case of utmost respect for the contributions towards a country and being singaporeans.
Serving NS is just a matter of 2 years, but the following ICTs(which he told me he has to serve 13 cycles) and IPPT systems are also important factors to consider when we look at our national defence programme. He may have been a paediatrician and saving lives, but haven’t SAF MOs and Civil Defence personnels been activated to such areas to help with the humanitarians efforts as well.
I’m from the airforce, i’ve seen military footages of SAF personnels(MOs, officers, specs) helping with the operations. His claim simply shows that he’s “on-par” with them in terms of contributions. But bear in mind that NS liabilities goes a long way than just serving 2 years.
No doubt he’s here to stay after converting to our citizenship, but bear in mind that such issues are also as sensitive as racial issues, as it touches on the raw nerves of us who served the national defence programme(as mentioned by PM at NUS) and are continuing to do so. He’s good to contribute to our society as a paediatrician, but as a MP. I think he’ll need to prove more of his credibilities to be able to represent us, especially after this dodge-NS saga.
April 15, 2011 at 1:43 pm
@serene
When the NS was being implemented, it was told to us that singapore is our home and that as able-bodied males, we’re to defend this country ourselves.
This is not a contrast with our female counterparts, as we understand the physical difference and the ultimate sacrifices for giving birth.
We should however remember that history taught us a very important lesson, no foreigners will defend for another country whole-heartedly.
Here we quote this example to explain that it is our country we’re defending. No other people will do it in our place. Thus we will expect our MPs who’re representing us to be able to understand our commitment. A new citizen may not be as deeply rooted as our local-born citizen. Just a point to note.
Ultimately it is to each person to perceive what they may find comfortable and i’m not criticising anybody here. Thank you.
April 16, 2011 at 2:14 pm
the fact that you refer to NS being a 2 year obligation means that you must be quite young.
Take it from an old hand, NS is a defining experience in a Singaporean man’s life. However, if you use that experience in defining your own identity as an individual, you need help!
April 19, 2011 at 1:22 am
Am a 3rd gen Singaporean here.
NS is definitely defining – it defined how much I hate Singapore for all I have to go through but yet being treated as a 3rd Class citizen. And I believe that my experience is not in the minority.
April 15, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Go serve your NS first, then join the next election.
April 15, 2011 at 2:21 pm
@longlivepap
Yup… There’re female regulars in the SAF now. They also form part of our national defence programmes.
We also recognise their efforts and thus are not against the females.
April 15, 2011 at 2:45 pm
now i am really wondering after i served ns for 2.5 years, served and completed my 13 years of reservist. doing:
1-i had to sleep in the open,
2-climb pengkang hill,
3-nvr shower for 6 days for every exercise,
4-sleep in a crappy no support sponge bed,
5-sweat like no tomorrow.
6-report sick also kenna tekan
7-wake up so blardy early in the morning at 4am to do 5bx
8-ippt, then soc, then unarmed combat
9-yes sir, no sir, dunno sir all the way.
10-cannot further my studies because of ns and by the time i rod, my peers have been promoted while i am new in the workforce,
11- paid about 190 as ALLOWANCE and i had to give some to my family
12- ippt gold award plus marksman of 50 bucks also ‘piah’ like hell
13- had to argue with my boss that reservist is a must when i have loads of work to complete
14- wife kpkb that i will be away
15- son and daughter kpkb when i was away
16- son high fever n i’m in ROC for reservist, lLPPL, can onli cry
17- kenna reservist everything start all over again fr point number 1
wonder if the GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY RECOGNIZE ALL THESE OR ARE WE JUST CHEAP LABOUR!
PAP can go get lost! i am rooting for the opposition.
April 15, 2011 at 2:53 pm
There seems to be a heavy dose of cynicism and guarded jealousy surrounding Janil Puthucheary. Conspiracy theories all abound, but they remain just that – unproven, especially the allegations about his “timely conversion” to “dodge the draft”. I don’t think xenophobia benefits Singapore, and it’s not right to pre-judge a citizen’s allegiance, whether or not the citizenship is new or cradled.
Of course, his comments have provoked fury against him – yes, they lacked consideration and exposed rawness, compared to the other seasoned politicians out there. But we should make a discourse on whether the potential of his future contributions can on a whole bring bigger benefits to this country and fellow countrymen. There is no point harping on his lack of NS, shouldn’t we be looking forward, not back?
In the coming days, he will have the chance to prove or disprove our opinions. To write him off now with seemingly baseless or biased allegations just seem rather premature.
April 15, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Field him in an SMC, he will have the chance to prove or disprove the opinions.
April 24, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Yes. He can prove himself then. We are wasting too much of time. It would be deception of the people for this backdoor entry;
April 15, 2011 at 8:07 pm
So we should all look forward and discount the sacrifices of 2..5 years of NS plus 10 years of reservist. It counts for “nothing” because, hey, it’s in the past and let’s look forward?!
Singaporeans are not xenophobic. We are appalled at the double-standards. On the one hand, we Singaporean male citizens have to suck it up and serve NS for the privilege of being a citizen.
Dr. Janil newly minted citizen who does not share this common bond as a male “Singaporean” disses us by saying his medical career in paediatric practice = national service?! That shows lack of empathy for NSmen, lack of understanding of where we’re coming from and lack of connection to a significant bloc of voters, male Singaporean NSmen.
Majullah Singapura.
April 16, 2011 at 10:10 am
You still miss the point leh.
It is exactly because Singaporeans doubt Janil’s “potential of his future contributions” that we are voicing out against his candidacy.
It is important to hammer the point that Janil has not served NS because he chose to xiam a fundamental Singaporean obligation. We cannot look forward without regard for past history, because past (in)actions define what Janil is today.
And no, we cannot afford to vote Janil into the parliament just to give him a “chance to prove or disprove our opinions”. It’s damned costly – $15,000 x 12 x 5, or close to a million dollars. Can we claw back our money if he fails after his term as MP???
Singaporeans will be most daft to vote a new citizen who xiamed NS and went on to belittle it by comparing to his “saving babies” act.
April 15, 2011 at 3:05 pm
fuck off from here!
April 16, 2011 at 5:59 am
Your comment is racist. Please don’t give opposition supporters a bad name! Bad enough we have idiots that post stupid things on TR, makes all us opposition supporters sound like racist homophobes.
April 15, 2011 at 3:21 pm
wow this person is wrong and immoral in every context.
firstly, i cannot see why he is not at least a little upset when his father was detained for 10 months under ISA. most detainees of ISA are not given a satisfactory answer or even a trial to convict him of any charges. it is one of the most dirty political influenced law ever to be imposed on the opposition in the past and still remain as a threat to common people who have the guts to stand up against the government. one thing i do know is that i WILL NEVER WANT SUCH INHUMAN AND IMMORAL people in the government.
secondly is that NS is a way of bonding. the many reasons why the government insisted on NS is that it is a social glue as well as a national defense for our country. If a conflict ever break out however unlikely, I AM NOT GOING TO PROTECT THESE PEOPLE WHO WILL PROBABLY FLEE THE COUNTRY IN CONFLICT. it shows he is just here for the benefits and if it runs out. he’s gone.
thirdly, i am REALLY DISAPPOINTED with PAP choose people like these again. it shows that they have not break out the close boxed thinking of elitism. just because he has a good background doesn’t mean that he will be a good politician.
NO WAY IN HELL WILL I VOTE FOR HIM.
April 15, 2011 at 4:31 pm
And he is a “quitter” (think that’s what govt calls Singaporeans who took up citizenship elsewhere?) from wherever he was from…..
April 15, 2011 at 9:14 pm
Have you read his father’s comments on being detained? guess not.
https://singaporegirl.wordpress.com/tag/dominic-puthucheary/
guess not.
April 15, 2011 at 4:40 pm
At the heart of the matter is foreigners coming in to Singapore, and within a short 3-4 years, apply to be a Member of Parliament. First of all, these foreigners have not lived long enough to be knowledgeable about the conditions in Singapore, our education system, and our way of living. To stand out to run as an MP despite this is hypocrisy.
Furthermore, much of the anger comes from the fact that he is running under the PAP’s banner. With the GRC system in this country, it is easy to shoehorn him into a district, and elect him successfully despite being very unpopular.
April 16, 2011 at 10:12 am
Yes, I agree. New citizens should not run for public office unless they have been naturalized for at least 5 years. That means “no” to WP’s Angela OOI as well.
April 15, 2011 at 4:57 pm
Not sure if he still supports ISA when it is used to ‘conscript’ political opponents into ‘Marxist camp’. I can’t believe he can support ISA with his father’s background….. What else do you need to ‘sell out’ to earn a million bucks? Oh yeah, he can ask Lim Boon Heng.
April 15, 2011 at 5:07 pm
For Dr Puthucurry, it is obvious – he sells out his fater, he will sell out Singapore. We don’t want him as comrade in the SAF. Don’t ask him to volunteer to do NS. He will be a burden to his fellow soldiers. Just keep him out of parliment. The biggest joke is our Defence Minister is pulling Dr Puthucurry into Parliment on his tailcoat.
April 15, 2011 at 9:15 pm
https://singaporegirl.wordpress.com/tag/dominic-puthucheary/
April 15, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Beyond NS,
Stop telling us we are jealous…. we are not. We are asking for fairness, not double standard
We are proud to have served our NS. We did not dodge our NS like this ah neh doctor who makes all hos calculation before becoming a Singapore citizen after he was here for so long.
Let your good ah neh doctor serves his two-year NS before even thinking of serving us as MP; the least he can do. Otherwise, no Singapore males nor wives of NSF will respect him.
April 15, 2011 at 5:14 pm
@roy
I believe he’s been here for around “10 years”. Which qualify him to take up citizenship.
That aside if he’s intent on taking up citizenship, he may decide to serve ns first before being considered for his citizenship. This should not be new or alarming to him, as his father was singaporean.
I got the picture that the PAP fields a candidate with “good” and “clean” backgrounds and morally-ethical, be it ex-rivals’ children. To just come into the limelight after saying that ISA is something he “did not” go through it’s just what he’s told and his father being imprisoned for so long he “can’t” feel angry. How “filial” is this son to his father when such injustice has been dealt, how morally-inclined is he to convince people that he’s the right man?
Most importantly, the way he replied about the NS controversy. Just like what the PAP has said there’s no need to buy political “insurance”, PAP is our “insurance”. Can we afford to “try” such an “insurance agent/provider”?
This concerns the future of our local politics, with TPL and this JP becoming more and more common now. Who knows, there maybe multiple cases of such incidents next time.
Just sharing what i think. No offence meant. Thx.
April 16, 2011 at 2:06 pm
his father was never singaporean. please check your facts.
have you read the article online with the interview with his dad? you don’t need to because you are Sianzboi, you will not be fact checked! bravo!
April 15, 2011 at 5:18 pm
This guy’s answers show how shallow he really is.
On his not doing NS he says he saved lives the last 10 years. Yah, we know. Us other Sinkapooreans (Chen Show Mao included) were airing our balls during that time…
Pui! It’s all for the money…
April 15, 2011 at 5:59 pm
It is not the fact of whether he did NS or not if he is a born Singaporean who knows our hardships and the things we face everyday.
I do not mind him being a pediatrician and come back when he has at least 10 years experience of living in Singapore before he can be deemed suitable to an MP.
Do not forget that he will be the one who you go to to voice out your issues, your concerns and he will be the one who will be your voice to the Government who will decide on the path our nation will be taking.
So, do we believe he knows enough as a Singaporean to be able to be our voice? I don’t think so . And if PAP is gonna come out with the crap to let him prove himself, then let him prove himself for the next 10 years as a normal Singaporean citizen instead. Being an MP is not a testing ground.
April 15, 2011 at 6:20 pm
when u hear someone trying to match up with his work and deeds, you know he/she is not humble. This is enough to imagine what attitude he will show when he serves the poor, the needy. I’m sure he will spin a story to shut them up.
April 15, 2011 at 6:32 pm
In light of fairness and patriotism, I personally believe at the rightful designated age, all Singaporean males, born or imported, should serve NS and the same goes for all Singaporean females, born or imported too, should serve the nation compulsory, not necessarily in the roles of military but in areas of nursing or childcare. Since, economically, we have shortage of nurse and childcare profession. We should look into the possibility and reality of having compulsory enrolment for both genders as part of nation serving, military for males, nursing or childcare for females.
April 15, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Many millionsters defended Empty stomping Tin, none defending Puthu.
Cannot defend the indefensible.
Too hot an issue.None dare to touch!
April 15, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Dr Puthu, so you saved babies during the last 10 years?
Well for your info some tru blu Sunkenpooreans lost their lives serving NS. Depending on how the dice rolled one of them could have taken your place.
How do you compare your “sacrifice” to theirs???
April 15, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Majority of us Singaporeans including WP’s Chen Show Mao served 2-2.5 years of full-time NS in combat vocations. SOC, IPPT, cheong sua, trench digging, live firing, parade drills. On top of that, many of us went through annual IPPT, recall manning, ops duty. These are the facts to Dr. Janil.
Majullah Singapura.
April 15, 2011 at 8:07 pm
I like Janil Puthucheary’s answer to explain why he was not bothered at all by his own father’s unfair detention: “It wasn’t something that we lived with or we knew of ourselves.”
In all likelihood, Janil will also be unlikely to help the middle to poor income voters because their predicament is not something that he lives in or knows of himself.
Vote OUT PAP!!! They have no idea how little people like us live.
April 16, 2011 at 1:58 pm
http://singaporegirl.wordpress.com/2010/09/20/dinner-with-dominic-puthucheary/
of course you are going to say that this is a ploy.
April 15, 2011 at 8:14 pm
So many words. So much anger and everybody is missing the reality that if we don’t open OUR mouths and tell OUR friends, families and neighbours to vote for the alternative parties, WE are going to be stuck with people like Dr P and Ms Tin.
The choice is really OURS.
April 15, 2011 at 9:08 pm
We need leaders as MPs, not doctors, social workers, engineers, etc (although those are useful secondary qualifications).
****MPs should and must be leaders, they must lead. *****
If he want to continue to a doctor saving lives then continue to be a doctor, no one is stopping him from doing so. If he want to contribute to Singapore in some other ways like being director of Singhealth of something, no one is stopping him.
Like it or not, the average Singapore man (directly) and women (indirectly) psyche is mounded through NS. He has no right to lead Singaporeans if he hasn’t already done NS or at least understand how it was done through experience of being led during NS.
Unless he has some medical problems, then there should be no exceptions, the MP has to serve NS.
Got citizenship late? Got a family?Finding serving NS unreasonable? Tough luck, the world, doesn’t end if you don’t get an MPship. Life will still go on. I can’t be a doctor even if I want to (I didn’t go to Med School and now have another career), likewise you can’t be a leader even if you want to. (Although, with this flawed system of ours, you will).
Dr Janil, being a leader to Singaporeans is like me being a doctor, most likely we will do badly.
April 16, 2011 at 2:00 pm
urm…. leadership is not a career choice. In your career, its a quality that you demonstrate on the job.
your argument is flawed.
April 15, 2011 at 9:19 pm
if our royale highness the prince cancerlee can do his artillery national service with his brother who did the navy seal and hongyi who did the signal platoon…ok ok he pointang on defcon4 yellow alert while on standby simply because he too needs to go parthor…
never the less so should this injun foreign doctor…
our prime minister was the colonel spiderman who saved lives @ the cable car disasters hor…
he climbed the cable..pulled 1 by 1 out of the snappin mouth flavour hor..
you know ow dangerous that was…or was that a donein by saf commandos standin double?
April 15, 2011 at 9:25 pm
“I did not do NS, Mr Chen did, those are the facts, yes,”
yah, i’ll appreciate that u say this the first time round rather than making some justification with saving kids.
taken to it’s logical conclusions, any job that involves saving ppl can be used to apply for exemption for national service.
April 15, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Jobs for foreigners, NS for singaporeans.
Which side do you fall on, dr?
April 15, 2011 at 9:34 pm
If these comments represent a good cross section of the population we are in trouble.
Most of the comments on TOC and TR seem to be left by Xenophobes, Homophobes and Misogynists. The worst part is that they do not realise that they are doing it.
If someone is Indian and you don’t like them, immediately they are “head wobblers”, “Muthu Curry”, “Abu Neh neh”. If they are female they are bitches and sluts, with many comments calling for rape or worse. If they are male, some bright spark will always accuse them of being gay (as if that is an insult), talk about male on male rape etc. If they are foreigners, they definitely took your job to boot.
Sounds like there is a ground swell of support, maybe its time someone forms the equivalent of the BNP or the Republican Tea Party in Singapore to give these views a voice in parliament!
Go rednecks!
April 15, 2011 at 10:13 pm
If someone is Indian and you don’t like them
indeed well spoken..we all har frickin racist…
onced upon a time in parliament..the mp for jalan besar make 1 comment..you all ministers/mps har don’t know ow dangerous serangoon road is…all I see(the jalan besar MP spoken words) are just white teeths floatin…
is he sellin darkie toothpaste perhaps?
you tell me
ole great 1 from istana…
April 16, 2011 at 1:50 pm
oi prince. I am indian, a wp supporter and I do not like you. So can I call you a small dicked slant eyed whore monger? Can you please stop spreading your pro munjen propaganda here. we are a frickin multicultural society you here. You smell like frickin soy sauce all the frickin time. Which part of the pig will you not eat? balls, snout, brain? can’t imagine you kiss your wife with that mouth, maybe she likes the taste of soy sauce mixed with pig offal.
April 16, 2011 at 10:25 pm
why didn’t YOU shout @ the jalan besar MP?
too afraid of 1 little MP?
April 16, 2011 at 2:02 pm
its people like you that make all us opposition supporters look like the KKK. We are not all stupid hicks.
please stop hurting the cause
April 15, 2011 at 10:13 pm
No comparison at all!
CSM is our kind of guy! He is same same, our kaki nang!
As for JP, the damage was done when he said that his work of saving children’s lives is his NS. What?! That is crap and we know it! That’s his JOB, for godsakes! And a very well-paying one too! He’s a doctor but talks nonsense. Do we really want such ppl to represent us?
NS is one’s service to the nation, a patriotic duty, done with personal sacrifices. There is only a very small token ‘salary’ received, but accepted by all who dutifully do their NS. No way can this joker’s job be compared to NS.
PAP candidates are just….dumb and dumber!
MY VOTE IS FOR OPPO. PLEASE CONTEST IN MY CONSTITUENCY (Aljunied).
April 15, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Puthucheary need not serve the army. He may not qualify for MOCC anyway judging from his poor EQ and lack of initiative. But he can still volunteer to be police constable (NS). The rest of us who have given 2 and more years of our lives to the country will be happy if you can at least agree to waive your right not to have to do NS and volunteer for police duty. Just like how the first generation MPs did: volunteer. I know it does not pay well but at least you can say you have an inkling of what we went through. It is the least you can do. If you don’t do that, how can we trust you to take political office?
April 16, 2011 at 12:54 am
The used to be a volunteer battalion in PDF. It should be revived if it is not active. FTs who are committed to Singapore can volunteer. Then there will be no excuse for them to say they were not given the chance to serve.
April 15, 2011 at 10:31 pm
We know what many Malaysians think of national service. Look at the reaction against even their NCC style NS? if the Malaysian govt even try to impose a 2 year proper military NS like ours, there will be riots up north overnight. So are we surprised that ex Malaysians like Puthucheary and Khaw BW are so not very excited about the two letter word “NS”? They probably think: heng ah we dun need to do this thing!
April 16, 2011 at 5:14 pm
well said bro!
April 15, 2011 at 10:35 pm
He wants to hitch a ride – for free, eh?
Why am I not surprised?
April 15, 2011 at 11:29 pm
National Slavery should be abolished. No body can protect itself at the expense of other people’s freedom. Freedom of choice is a basic human right, the freedom not to be forcefully inducted into an organization against one person’s will. He could’ve used this chance to fight for the freedom of choice for everybody by stating anti-conscription sentiments, but no. Coming from PAP, he ignored this issue & sees no problem that others have been or are going to be enslaved in national slavery while he gets his freedom.
April 16, 2011 at 12:09 am
Im a girl so i dont share the common experience of NS with all you guys. But I can see how spending 2 long years in NS is smth that every singaporean man goes through and im certain it changes one. While that is an issue for JP, I think more than the fact that he didnt do NS, he made a mistake by saying that he “substituted” NS with his job! I think he just said the wrong thing.
I have seen dr.janil in kkh before and must say he is a very good doctor for the record! But being a good doctor doesnt necessarily mean he will be a good politician. And we wont really know if he is good politician any time soon.
Hope he will tell us the real reason why he did not do NS or has not considered doing it yet. Maybe (hopefully) he plans to do it in the future since he just became a citizen recently? Well, I think that if he will serve the country well, be loyal and help it progress, there really isnt an issue. He can start doing NS anytime. For me, NS isnt the biggest factor to consider (as compared to loyalty for e.g.) but still is an important one that apparently matters a lot to the guys, who have the right to mention it cos they are the ones who went through it!
April 16, 2011 at 12:19 am
whotovotefor,
As far as I know, JP was a Malaysian until he became a Singaporean 3 years ago. That was at the age of 35, he is 38 now. That is why he was not called to be enlisted in the army when he was 18.
The argument here is, as a Singaporean Male, NS is something that makes you a real Singaporean male. As a political male leader here, it is fair and logical that he must have served NS to lead the Singaporean males as their leader.
April 16, 2011 at 2:33 am
whotovotefor
I think he just said the wrong thing.
I have seen dr.janil in kkh before and must say he is a very good doctor for the record
……………….
so you merely think he says the wrong thinggie right?
what happenned if a bloke went in for karchng blockage ops and your friend dr injun cut his balls by mistakes?
and your xcuses for him is?
ole well we all make mistakes right?
the karaguni man can made mistakes
the beggars can makes mistakes
the homeless already make mistakes
and all of them are payin for their mistakes very very heavy…
what you think this dr injun is?
just to collect his $13,500/month salary?
he represent his constitunecy…
no mistakes must be allowed under pap’s LAW
not i says..leekingyou stand corrected
bytheway..
if any armforces men makes a mistakes by bein absent..
he is charged as awol
intime of war..thats a firin squad offence
now be a good girl
see that tree over there? no not that tree nearby
the tree up in bukit timah hill
run up there
urine on that tree and report to your sergant
comprende?
April 16, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Again with the witty racist, sexist remarks.
maybe in your next life you could get a bit more perspective.
April 16, 2011 at 10:21 pm
indeed racist and sexist remarks..
you didn’t post you chinese alway assumed all woman are sarong party girl
and you didn’t post you ns BOYS just chiongedsuayed as a dressup..
now which part of perpective you 1st2 protrayed?
next life? @ the very least i am reborn as a baby..
you ley..a cockroach perhaps?(i don’t even 1st2 insult you by sayin you are goin to be into a female puppy)
April 16, 2011 at 12:21 am
“I did not do NS, Mr Chen did, those are the facts, yes,”
This is a very critical fact.
I’m older than him, still doing my reservist.
Still got to go IPPT, got tons of work and yet still got to go NS incamp training(While worrying that someone may takes over my job), When fail IPPT, got to go RT. Go overseas for work assignment…also worry of defaulting the sessions. All these RTs are done after our long days of work << many even skip dinner and rush like mad to be in time, taking naps as much as possible during waiting time. By the time you finished at about 8.30pm, you are tired and make your way home to enjoy whatever time left with your kids. These type of scenes are out of sight, out of mind of many ignorant people.
I remembered there was a period of time when i needed to balance my NS duties, my work, my night classes, my family and resting.
But still I know NS is important and understand the need to endure and complete my duty as a male Singaporean.
Our lost time (lifetime hours), our sweat, the risk we take when we push ourselves physically.(Some died from it)…
I don't think it is too late for this MP to volunteer in the NS training and should lead the way by doing more than legal needs, to be truly part us. Volunteering NS can gel our society, especially if you want to be our leader.
Lastly, wonder if anyone has the statistic for those male citizenship applicants who are at 35years old ? Must be alot. Our this MP to be is probably 1 of those.
April 16, 2011 at 12:23 am
Ah Kow,
I salute you for your continous contribution to Singapore on your NS duties. Keep it up bro and thanks!!
Majulah Singapura!!
May 4, 2011 at 10:12 pm
I think the crux of the matter is that he belittled the contributions and sacrifices of NS. Unless one has gone thru NS (2 or worse 2.5 years in my time) plus the years of NS liabilities and IPPT yearly, one really has no idea how much mentally, physically and emotionally draining or involvement required. More so for those in combat units. Every Singapore male who has done NS will attest to how much against their will much of military life entails. But most of us do it silently and obediently because we believe that its our country and our lives at stake and we will fight when the time comes. Therefore, to compare a professional job (however noble) where one has chosen as a preferred career against a forced conscription (2.5 years plus 13 years liability with little or no compensation) is really insulting. It simply shows a total lack of understanding what NS is all about, what it entails and the sacrifices that we continue to make. Just think about passing your IPPT as you slowly age and you will get an inkling how hard it can be at the same time balancing your work, family and other obligations. Or when a notice flashes across the TV and you are to report immediately. Any failure to respond classifies you as AWOL and the military justice system comes into play. Many other examples abound I am sure from our readers here that we can all share.
April 16, 2011 at 12:26 am
If this is if voted in, it will be the downfall of Spore!
Not only did he betrayed his father and wife,
his words/facts twisting habit shows what kind of person he is.
This type of personality shld never be in parliament.
April 16, 2011 at 1:19 am
NS is getting to be a waste of time. When I was serving my 2 years, I did my best. What I did not expect was the time I had to spend after that. being recalled for a whole month…. recently I got a new job and applied for deferment and it was rejected. When I go for the recall, I’m just shocked at the number of people recalled for nothing. Waste of taxpayer’s money. Has Mr Janil Puthucheary experienced all this? Fortunately I have endured this nonsense for more than 5 years already. In another few more days I’m done with all this nonsense.
April 16, 2011 at 2:17 am
All idiot are alike. PAP is run by peopleless action idiot and they are idotic enough to recuit these alien idiot whom come “serve the people”
Teach them a leason….
April 16, 2011 at 2:21 am
Is PAP Janil saying that all doctors in Singapore should be exempted from doing National Service because their job is already doing a national Service? Than all opticians, dentists, accountants, lawyers, engineers….who build Singapore should also be exempted because their full time job is also equal to doing national a service. Is Janil said he saved lives, was he paid to do so?
April 16, 2011 at 5:33 am
PAP is a joke
April 16, 2011 at 7:42 am
Come on guys, SG gal is at best ignorant and at worst a troll. Don’t stoop to her level and call her names or demean her. You guys are men and should be above all that. I’m pretty sure you’ve been called worst names. Her attitude only highlights the NS is a thankless job. I remember when I was seeing some action during my service. The locals really appreciated what we did for them. It was a tremendously rewarding experience. I think it is ignorant to say that NSmen have never seen action,just because you haven’t heard of anything doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. I can’t reveal details but suffice to say, Singapore will be a very different place without our vigilance. There are many soldiers who have died during training, especially during the head-dunking affair. It’s a senseless death but what are you going to do? I know of parents who had sons who died in NS. Can JP console such parents? Maybe the 2 generals that PAP recruited can, but certainly not JP.Guys, don’t fall into SG gal’s trap, she’s just a troll let her be.
April 16, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Right on bro
April 20, 2011 at 6:10 am
Dear Dr. JP,
learn this song: Entry Requirement!!!!
Training to be Soldiers,
To fight for Our Land!
Once in Our life,
Two years of Our Time.
Have you ever wondered.
Why are We Free?
Cause We Love Our Land,
And Want It to be Free, to be Free!!!
Looking all around Us,
People Everywhere.
Children Having Fun,
While We Are Holding Guns!!!
Have you ever wondered.
Why are We Free?
Cause We Love Our Land,
And Want It to be Free, to be Free!!!
April 16, 2011 at 8:28 am
No NS. No reservists’ liabilities. But can be selected to become one of the nation’s leaders.
In effect, this chap who has never serve NS, through Parliament, will have the right to vote to send the country to war.
This has to be a real whore of a country led by self-serving prostitutes. No wonder many are leaving.
April 16, 2011 at 9:42 am
Sg gal
this ns thing is a common topic across most sg men, hence we share experiences. It is a conversation starter.
Just as excited new mums share abt their child
birth pain. I’ve heard it for the umpteenth time whenever my wife meets with friends.
Both genders have topics that bond and there’s nothing wrong with that. This Jamil episode is not purely abt ns; it’s abt commitment and patriotism. Others have said it better before me.
April 16, 2011 at 10:00 am
bashing others for talking abt their NS experiences do not contribute to the discussion on Janil Puthucheary, it’s just a convenient distraction.
the thing is, i don’t even expect a new citizen at the grand age of 35/38 to do SOC, IPPT or dig fire trench, just acknowledge that u did not serve NS, the
justification of any kind regardless if it is intended it as a NS substitute or otherwise is not welcomed.
April 16, 2011 at 10:48 am
After the “A” levels,the local boys go for NS where Janil and company proceed to NUS.They continue their studies.The local A boys believing in nation building,train to defend under adverse condition like comparing sunset way,faber gardens…. boy’s buttocks ! Occasionally they may be ambushed by temptation and have something special for their Gun ! with a miserable allowance,some of them worried about the family’s food and have to do what may come job.2 years later many loses interest and dropout of studies to support family,where janil and company turn professional.I was wondering if the locals boys were on level playing field with janil and company,maybe janil may end up doing the baby’s diaper and the locals boys doing the injection.Do we really need FT then? WAKE UP YOUR SUNSET IDEAS !!! It’s 2 prime years hor! my son !
April 16, 2011 at 11:28 am
Do u guys know that wks was commissioned as a saf officer after he entered politics? It was a course specially tailored for this potential bc or Dom. So much for such staff. So if the ah neh is sincere he can still serve instead of telling us that he saved many lives! I saved many projects and mrt tunnels(working as a civil engineer?) what arrogance! What crap!
April 16, 2011 at 12:19 pm
We have already suffered the injustice of being drafted to the military against our own will. Some lost lives. I gained a permanent lifelong injury, slipped disc. 3 discs, in fact. Don’t let this happen to future generations. Vote out pro-conscription & military party. Conscription has no place in modern society.
sg gal, you probably have had a bad experience with guys keep going on & on about national slavery. Perhaps you were at an outing with some guys. They isolated you & kept talking on & on about their national slavery experience. You felt bored outta your mind. & that happened more than once, so you can’t stomach guys talking about national slavery now.
I find it sick that in the military, military leaders giving lectures go on & on about shooting the enemy. Sorry, I am not a murderer. I ain’t gonna shoot nobody. BTW, what enemy? Imagined enemies created by the pro-military organization to bring about a climate of fear that binds Singaporeans together & make them easier to control. Not everyone thinks that shooting people with guns is ok. The state has no right to force everyone to change their moral beliefs.
April 16, 2011 at 12:35 pm
In short and sharp mode, Puthu, you are not credible to become an MP in the leadership renewal process this coming election. You do not fulfil the basic military obligations of all male Singapore Citizen and your dad’s legacy makes me feel that you are a double dipper.
April 16, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Go away. I don’t want you to represent me. You will never know what we NS boys went through. And to think that we will be paying you millions with taxpayers’ monies, I’m disgusted.
April 16, 2011 at 5:18 pm
Designated MIW MG Chan commented it is OK for JP for NOT doing NS(military) and saving kids in hospital and to be a MP are doing the nation a great service (NS) . From the ST GE2011 Q&A video with MG Chan, I must say I am very confuse with his speech.
April 16, 2011 at 5:41 pm
i had met a platoon of women(who formed an ad hoc wet market in my living room) who bitched abt PMS (and concluded that as a result the whole world owes them a living),
greatly exaggerate their child bearing pain,
inflate their self worth by claiming a incredibly meritorious grand contribution they had made by taking care of a child.
complaining abt how they work like a dog to buy that $8000 handbag, the golf club membership, the spa treatment, the facial, the cosmetics, the skin care potions, the high heels, the aston martin, the credit card bills,
and they manage to do all these incredible things while maintaining work life balance(remember to twinkle your eyes and smirk when u say work life balance), and giving allowance to their husband, parents & in laws.
while nobody said all these incredible feats and achievements were easy,
if u let me choose between bashing these wonder women who whine & exaggerate their contributions,
OR to bash the CSM who tekan me during NS,
i would choose to the later.
in fact none of the men here had chose to do the former.
now, who thinks Janil Puthucheary should do SOC?
(pauses for 3 seconds)
no answer.
I think that settles the point.
April 23, 2011 at 12:39 am
Good one!
April 16, 2011 at 5:50 pm
the joke going around these days is,
singaporean wonder boys in NS these days go to the battle field with one maid carrying their field pack and their mom carrying the rifle, so our military strength is actually under reported, it should be 3 times the official figure.
singaporean wonder women these days go to the corporate battle field with one maid carrying the back stab knife & one mother-in-law carrying the power suit, so the strength of our work force is also under reported, it should be 3 times the official figure.
April 16, 2011 at 5:58 pm
now, who thinks Janil Puthucheary should dig fire trench?
(pauses for 3 seconds)
(stares at a random comment on this page, and the comment stares back)
no answer.
I think that settles the point.
April 16, 2011 at 10:07 pm
I always joke with my fellow NSmen during ICT these days: this is the only time and place I can be in a Singaporeans-only environment (by this i don’t even mean new citizens like Puthumayam). Nowadays, that is indeed rare. You cannot find that in school, in MRT, in shopping mall, workplace, hawker centres; no more. We may not enjoy the disturbance from our work and family or the tiring training but you can get unadulterated Singaporean culture: Singaporean accent English with smattering of hokkien and Malay swear words (often funnily rude), SAF lingo, Singaporean army food. Not even Malaysians will appreciate since their Malay lingo/slang is not bastardised in the same way as ours. Savour while it lasts.
Your sons may not even experience the same environment next time. Recently, I have seen some current active NS boys who are Myanmese, Ah Tiong, Mat Salleh, etc, etc. For example, I was told of a funny account of a “lost in translation” encounter of a Ah Tiong driver trying to take lesson from Malay or Indian tpt specs. Boy do we not miss the 80s or early 90s.
April 17, 2011 at 8:03 am
Why we must serve?
Cause we love our land,
we want it to be free, to be free.
Those who belittle NS, you don’t love Singapore.
Those male who don’t serve NS, you don’t get my vote.
April 17, 2011 at 10:22 am
SG Gal
Hey lame-o, no one is immortal. People die crossing the road on the way to work. Women die in childbirth. Workers die at their place of work. You are not extra special in the “poor me” oscars.
——————————————————————–
Since u are going by that “logic”; let’s remember that NS for able bodied Singaporean men is NOT a choice.
Going to work is a choice, crossing the street is a choice, getting pregnant is often a choice & dying later due to complications is a consequence of deciding to get pregnant isn’t it?
Stupid logic if u ask me… Let’s not belittle the REAL sacrifices people make everyday while at work, giving birth OR serving NS with your “smart arse” remarks…
Want to act smart? Go prove it to someone who cares…
Duh…
April 17, 2011 at 4:48 pm
And we don’t need you !!! and these are also THE FACTS !!!!!!
April 17, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Actually the blame should be on our Goverment – why was he allowed to skip NS, became a citizen only 3 years ago and yet can be nominated to be an MP….not too long ago we had a Japanese boy who has been in Singapore since childhood, studied here,served NS and was told when he went to renew his passport that he is no more a Singapore Citizen…??!!!
Are we really that hardup of pediatrician that we need to give him SINGAPORE citizenship..?
Is PAP so desperate to find new MPs that someone who ONLY became a citizen 3 years ago can be nominated to be an MP whilst many good grassroot leaders are ignored..???
April 17, 2011 at 9:56 pm
This phthu not only did not served ns. He conveniently took up citizenship when he turned 36. The age cap for MO for NS is 35.
April 17, 2011 at 11:31 pm
don’t they need pediatrician in Malaysia too…maybe he should consider going back … but I guess the MONEY here is so good that he would rather give up his Malaysian Citizenship..!!!
April 18, 2011 at 1:44 am
why he so BIG ? donot need NS ??? what PAP try to promote ? is it Singaporean are not important for singapore govt ??? totally donot UNDERSTAND !!!
April 18, 2011 at 9:50 am
Agree the tone regarding NS from some posters is incorrect.
National service should be applauded not relegated as “nothing special” or “not that bad”. Its not just a large block of time. Prison service can equally be just a “large block of time”.
Having said that, it should be equally acknowledged that the lack of NS service should not be a barrier to government service. Otherwise Singapore becomes unnecessarily restrictive eg 1/2 the population eg women, can never be represented in parliament.
But anyone that serves in parliament must understand the sacrifice made by NSmen throughout the generations and not make light of it by irrelevant/irreverent comparisons or risk losing the people’s vote.
April 18, 2011 at 1:19 pm
on the other hand…
i dont want him as my white-horse officer.
hope he kena ‘men’.
April 18, 2011 at 1:26 pm
my take? a SGean can only run to be in parliament if.
able bodied male/female : SGean citizen, served NS.
unable to serve? nevermind! should be SGean, and lived and suffered in SG for at least 20 years as SGean. Not PR.
to be cabinet? perhaps he/she should born SGean. but i’m in two-minds about that.
April 18, 2011 at 5:34 pm
well…. another so call “FT” that got his pink IC too easily…. well well well… why have our “PINK IC” turn so cheap?…. to get someone like him to serve the community… i shudders…. maybe he should just stay n be a “good doctor” n not be a politician. The comment his made is as go as ” so what if i did not serve NS, what can you guys do to me? ” … ” I will be hiding in a GRC and get elected.. .nana ni poo poo “… sighz is that the kind of ppl that we want to lead us for the next 5 yrs?….. NOOOO !!!
April 19, 2011 at 3:01 am
NS SHOULD BE ABOLISHED!!! Period. Taiwan is abolishing compulsory military conscription, why aren’t we??
I don’t see why my son should serve NS when all these fake new citizens like JP don’t have to!!! Ridiculous!!!
April 19, 2011 at 6:15 am
Singapore GAL, I guess you are either the Putu’s wife or some relatives!
As a Singapore male, we are obliged to serve NS. Do note that it is an obligation, not voluntary service, and so this is the main issue here! We are not afraid the hardship come along with it! Why all Singapore males are obliged by law to serve NS and not the new Citizens male? How can this Putu compared a 10 years medical practice which benefited himself to National Service in order to brush off a question posted by Singaporean?
As a woman, you can choose not to give birth if you would like to avoid labour pain, you are not obliged to give birth if you do not want to! You will not go to jail for not going through labour pain. But the male Singaporean will have to face jail term if he choose to runaway from his obligation to serve NS, unfair isn’t it? So to compare giving birth to NS is just lame, very lame indeed.
The main reason I admired Dr Chen SM is because of his volunteering to serve NS, it just clicks! He is willing to integrate with fellow Singaporean males!
As for this Putu, get out of my uncaring ordinary Singaporean face (mind you, not an elite face hor)!
April 19, 2011 at 9:40 am
According to GCT, Janil n his family has been here for 10 years and what is really interesting is he only chose to be a citizen 3 years ago at 35 years old – the magic number that would relieve him of National Service..!!! This is a guy that is having his cake n eating it…wow..
April 19, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Indians, generally, the lower level(economically and socially) are some of the greatest people;humble, compassionate, courteous, kind, non-materialistic and God-fearing.
It is the small segment ‘the elite’ Indians who, generally, have almost evil
qualities. These people are arrogant, caste and class- conscious, highly materialistic and they will choose the shortest path possible to achieve their evil goals.
They ( especially who become politicians) will commit murder, genocide(Sikh genocide 1984, India), rape and almost any evil there is, to
achieve their power and materialistic goals.
Therefore, it is not surprising that this clown JP is acting in the time-tested arrogant ‘elite-Indian’ way, These people will make a
fool of every decent man or woman to achieve their evil goals.
We Singaporeans cannot let these elite Indians to get a foothold in
Singaporean politics. Look at the state of politics in India. Every other politician is an ex-criminal or is awaiting some sort of court-trial for corruption, murder or even worst. This is what is in store for the Singapore of the future when a sufficient number of Indian politicians
come into political power.
It is no surprise that JP is using the time-tested short-cut way to richness
and power which the elite Indians like to use. They will lie and cheat, and we have JP lying and cheating, almost openly and brazenly; it is not a surprise to those who know what these elte Indians will do to achieve their evil goals.
April 20, 2011 at 7:28 am
I am a born-and-bred in Singapore citizen doctor. The sacrifices of a singapore doctor goes beyond the 2.5 years of NS and numerous reservist cycles. After graduation, we have to serve housemanship and made to do another year of compulsory stints in the hospital to ensure we have some clinical experience before we get called back to NS in our late 20s. We then have to go through OCS again (as we disrupted and did not complete OCS in our youth) to be shouted at by NSF trainers many years younger before serving as MOs for a pittance of an allowance of a few hundred dollars that could hardly support me, let alone my wife and kid then, nor even start to cover the interest for the steep medical school fees loan (remembered we often had to think twice before even eating out at a hawker centre). Singaporean men have to start our specialist training much later than foreigners after our NS (more than 5 years after graduation). Therefore, although I am around the same age as Dr Janil, am a much more junior staff compared to him in the hospital and have to be subject to these foreign talents higher in the ranks who never served NS, although some of them may, in fact, be younger.
April 20, 2011 at 4:55 pm
hi to all,
i happen to cross an article in temasek review under the caption- New citizen too important to serve NS. an indian from india presumely a new citizen had talked lowly of sporeans as stupid idiots to have served ns and that eliteindian citizens like from india are too important to the spore govt to waste their time doing ns. i do not know how far the article is true… but if it is the truth…. its mockery on us , singapore citizens who gone thru national service to serve and protect singapore. i dont mind dying for fellow singaporeans regardless of race and religion, but i should i and my chidren die for these stupid PRs and family? my chidren will serve ns n their chidren will never ns but expect our children to protect them. is simply riduculous, i urge all singaporeans regardless of race and religion to stand up against thse useless so called foreign talents and reclaim our land and diginity fro these scum bags
April 21, 2011 at 12:51 am
The same people who are bashing him are probably the same people who bitch about in-camp training.
Let’s be honest, in reality, NS is a bloody waste of time. (ideologically–another matter) And if my father has been detained under ISA, for my own safety, of course I would try and skip NS. What if I kenna tekan in NS (this is 20+ years ago)??
When you’re making decisions at 18 years old, you’re not going to think about whether you’re going to be MP in future right? Who can imagine also, that PAP will court a child of an ex-detainee?
He obviously comes from a political family and has chosen to stand for PAP. Let’s move away from the NS issue and look at what he has to say.
(Same disclaimer: I’m not Pro-PAP. I’m pro-rational thought and fair play.)
April 21, 2011 at 9:42 am
We should legislate that only someone with spore citizenship of at least 10 years can come forth as candidate. We should not allow all sorts of dubious characters snicking into our parliarment, worst if they have become citizen not of their own will, likely after being approached by pap and lured by the prospective rewards being a MP/minister.
April 22, 2011 at 12:40 am
NS defines a singaporean. NS is vital to Singapore existence and should not be brush off that easily. The issue of not doing NS and yet enter politics “to serve singapore” should be an election issue. Brushing it off lightly will send the wrong signal to singaporeans/PRs – its OK not to do NS and yet still can become MP.
Best way to integrate him is ask him to do at least 2 years of NS before he assumes his MP-ship. After all, I do ICTs till 45 yo so 38 yo should not be an excuse.
Unlike the oppostion candidate Chen, I respect him for coming forward to serve NS with such distinction as yo become an officer that I am willing to vote for him rather than this Puthu guy, whom I question his motive for joining the ruling elite.
If this Puthu guy volunteers for NS, then he will have my respect and my vote, otherwise I dont see why I should vote for him.
Being in the Defence Minister’s GRC,it would be a great honor for Puthu to personally receive his call up notice from TCH himself.
If he is fielded as part of the GRC, that GRC is not getting my vote. That’s a fact.
May 3, 2011 at 11:42 am
Now, who thinks Janil Puthucheary will become MP anyway (because of GRC)?
(pauses for 3 seconds)
no answer.
I think that settles the point.
PS+ Defence Minister will probably say “it was an honest mistake, lets move on”.
April 23, 2011 at 1:42 pm
These new citizens who never went through NS would never know the hardship and difficulties singaporeans face…During NS, fellow countrymen train shoulder to shoulder, not just pseudo jazz talk and when we get the chance to rest and talk, we really pour our hearts out. What do these new citizens know? besides, i have a few MO (Medical Officer) friends who served NS, reservist and work in public hospitals so aren’t they more qualified than this newbie? This newbie does not and cannot represent Singaporeans, he should go serve as a MO for at least 1 cycle/10yrs (typical MOs serve 2 cycles).
April 23, 2011 at 7:46 pm
hi
Dr janil was a young man then and i think he was not sure if he would stayed in s’pore permanently because his parents were in M’sia.
In the same situation most men would have made the same calculation and not volunteered for NS, of course this made it very difficult for all us to accept him (or his act) from an emotional point of view.
Therefore, If elected he would have to worked harder than most to win over the people and would forever carry this baggage with him during election period.
April 25, 2011 at 4:34 pm
PAP is practicing what it preach – we need Foreign Talent.. Not enough Singaporeean qualified to be MP especially those of us who have done NS.
Call that rich crop and good selection process.
April 25, 2011 at 4:42 pm
PAP is practicing what it preach – we need Foreign Talent. Not enough Singaporean qualified to be MP especially those of us who have done NS. Call that “rich crop” and good selection process.
April 25, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Mr Janil, I have a suggestion for you. To show your sincerity serve in the hospital for 2 years with a NS pay. I will salute you.
May 2, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Singapore already attained the first world status via the hard, sincere, honest input of the Government’s team all these while and hence are the people, the singapreans.
Judging from the various angles – behavior, mind sets, singaporeans had earned and elevated themselves to this arrogant mentality status…they are the best……..
No…. go and ask the comments from HK, Taiwan, Australia, Malaysia, Indonesia, etc…..
And yet they are shooting down on their Government’s team.
Must they be put them into the third world status and let them taste the ground?
Able, qualified people were selected to participate in the jobs.
You think one could easily walked through the stringent scrutiny of the present Government team..to be selected…..?
We should thank the new participants who are willing to be in….
Do not just pick for the sake to complain. Do look at the wider scope.
You think these highly paid Teams would want to be removed by doing otherwise. I think only those who are not highly paid would explore and exploit other revenues to be compensated at the expenses of the people.
Do bear this in mind and do look around the other countries players…
Do you know that in other developed countries there are many politcal lobbyists who want their issues to be approved and who know what they must take care off……and for the third world- ? it is too obvious to mention……Pay is no more the issue to them!?
So Singaporeans… put all the points shouted by these oppositions and and ask yourselves whether you could live better life – the first world life ….
when the present good team is already familiar and always look far into the futute so that you could enjoy the first world status…and please to tune down the arrogant mentality…..!
Omitoufu
May 2, 2011 at 2:01 pm
One more thing.
In this era, wise words & track records speak louder than ………..
See, many world leaders seemed to stopped over in Spore just to seek and tap some constructive tips/pointers…..from the team….
Tell me who in these oppostion peope is capable enough to handle these???………..
See how many other countries wanting to follow spore style……
See how the Government teams bring along their corporate boys to participant in other countries opportunities…..
See how the other countries respect the Spore team…including you when you are in oversea…….Spore & team’s mind………
See how easy for you as Spore citizens or spore companies to enter into these countries……….
Omitoufuk
May 3, 2011 at 11:00 am
Just something to share.
My father came to Singapore from Malaysia with my grandmother at a very tender age. It was when Singapore was still part of Malaysia. He was granted PR when Singapore becomes independent.
My father never went through army and could never do so since he is already 62 yrs old retired. I had been trying to apply citizenship for him for the pass few years but was only met with rejection.
Early this year I had tried again and was once again rejected even before I could submit the apllication. A lady from SIR called me and told me the reason why this application will be reject was due the fact that my father did not went through army.
But what really pissed me off was these senstense she said…” the govt is not encouraging people who are not SELF ECONOMICAL to apply for citizenship”.
” The govt never chase your father out of Singapore right? He still can stay here right?”
” You may submit your application, but it is likely to be rejected, it’s up to you”
My father had work in Singapore for more than 40 over years, paying tax and contributing to the nation building. But just because he did not do NS, he could not apply citizenship.
To be frank, due to the rising medical expense of Singapore, being a citizen had an advantage to get more subsidies. That is why I wanted to apply citizenship for my father.
Anyway, what I wanted to said is Jani Puthucheary was granted citizenship based on what? He is self economical? He is of some use to the PAP?
His citizenship only proof that even we as Singaporean, when we are not self economical, no valve to society, no valve to Singapore, no use to the govt, will sooner or later be left behind. Just look at the amount of foreign talent in Singapore. 5 mil of Singapore population, there are more than 2 mil of foreigners.
We will all grow old one day and become not self economical.
So what’s ahead for us?The Deputy PM got an annual salary of 2.5mil a year for his old age.
What do we have?
May 3, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Really?!! i am very disappointed yet happy as a PES E personnel. At least i still serve in a minium way to my country (sorry guys).. can i suggest he serve his Reservist for 2 years Full Time with no minimum wage (maybe pegged to a SGT salary so he can understand)
And shouldnt the government clarify how many such men (FT) like him has got PR/Citzenship WITHOUT fulfilling their obligations to the love of their country. ?
May 4, 2011 at 4:13 am
No way.
No way I’m gonna vote in this man who’s been a citizen for 2+ years and never experienced the hardship, sacrifices and responsibilities we faced during our NS/ICT/”work trips” to Brunei Thailand Taiwan/IPPT/RT/ops manning and let him have the power to enact legislation that directly impacts my life and liberty as a Singaporean.
Majulah Singapura.
May 4, 2011 at 9:25 pm
I dont know y i served my ns to protect my fellow singaporean or to make safe haven for foreigner n fast made singaporean like janil . If singapore didnt had any ns , i wouldnt mind him been an mp.Must be a thick skin guy ,i dont if tis guy know such a word call “pai seh”.its only in the blood of true singaporean probably understood it.
May 4, 2011 at 11:18 pm
To the so called FT, Janil Puthucheary whom said this,
“…As for criticism that he did not serve national service, as he became a Singapore citizen at the age of 35, the pediatrician said he has been in public service: ‘I’ve spent the last 10 years saving kids’ lives.’”
Is it that you’re the only pediatrician whom is saving children’s life, you’re good.. please tell me which pediatrician don’t save children’s life??
If you are saving children’s life out of charity, maybe we can consider you as one of the FT welcomed… I bet you don’t… typical Indian “FT”, arrogant as it is.
May 5, 2011 at 5:31 pm
Wth, even I’m more Singaporean than him. I was from Japan but migrated here when I was 7, did my schooling in Singaporean schools, but had to complete NS to obtain my citizenship. And here we have this $%#$ who din’t even serve NS and I bet I spent more time in Singapore than him.
Wow, this is foreign policy at it’s lowest. Go to Japan or anywhere else in the world for that matter and see if any country would let you run for parliament after only being a citizen for 2-3 years.
It’s a big, fat NO.
I feel cheated.
May 5, 2011 at 6:13 pm
My dear fellow citizens,
If you want to cast a vote for President, then you have to vote opposition on Sat, May07.
If not, the coming election for President will be walk over again or assigned by the OMO. (one man operation)
So tell me do you or I got a say then. Just think for the last president election, what had happened ? Can you recall ?
May 6, 2011 at 4:27 pm
I am a Singapore working in HK (senior director in an invesment bank) i am a supporter of PAP but this cannot be true.. Dr Janil Puthuchery just became a Singaporean in 2008? did not serve in the army? u want him to be an mp??? is this how the government want to run the country, i am sure by now most of you will know most interns/ trainees hire in global top 10 banks based in Singapore are primarily from France or India, at the current rate our government is encouraging/ allowing this to happen, what’s to become of the next generations of Singaporean grads? How about our doctors, accountants, engineers how many true blooded Singaporean needs to be sideline for all this opportunities> when will this end?
May 31, 2011 at 6:58 am
1 ) Only those who did NS can run from election.
2 ) Only those who are citizen at birth can be PM and President.
I wonder why Mr Puthucheary has return to Singapore and be an MP ?
What is he father thinking ?
Why did he not stay in Singapore then to do NS ?
April 16, 2011 at 12:05 am
Dear SG Gal,
I am shocked to hear your comments on your fellow Singaporean males doing NS. NS is not about the 2.5 years alone, it goes along with us for 13 cycles or till you are 40 whichever comes first.
As far as I know, only 2 countries do NS on compulsory basis. Israel and Singapore. The others join the army on voluntary basis. It is part of our growing up where we are ready to face it from our Primary School Days.
Singaporean males are far most more responsible and hardworking compared to other societies. Thanks to NS. You go in as Boys at 18 and come out as Men at 21. You have lesser problems in the society from young males as we are being trained inside the camps to be better sons for the country , better husbands to the ladies and better fathers to our children
So change your thoughts on what you have commented maam. It hurts.
April 16, 2011 at 12:05 pm
You may be sick of them always talking about NS, but I’ll bet you’d be doing the same thing if you were stuck in it for 1yr10months — getting a crappy allowance, waking up at ungodly hours in the morning and getting to sleep dead tired, only going home maybe once a week (depending on where you get posted to) and subject to other forms of stupidity while doing NS. Even if you don’t think you would be talking about it all the time, just have a little empathy, eh? No need to get so agitated over it. (: Just layan only lah.
Anyway, the issue of serving NS is just a surrogate way to measure this MP candidate’s dedication to Singapore. The bigger issue here is that what he says and does doesn’t seem to match (he wants to stay and fight but seems to conveniently not be able to serve NS, plus he’s such a young citizen so what does he know man). We all know talk is cheap. People need proof their leaders aren’t gonna just ignore their pleas after they’ve been elected. I mean come on haven’t Singaporeans always been accused of being stupid, electing the wrong people all the time? (If you actually get to *vote them in* in the first place, that is) If after being elected, he proves to just be another elite who maintains status quo, then the same argument will be levelled at Singaporeans – why so stupid go and elect someone who’s only been a citizen for 2 years, never served NS (probably never intends to either) and hasn’t demonstrated he’s actually in this for the citizens besides him actually saying that out, plus got cocky attitude? It’s not like you guys knew this only after elections so act so surprised now for what? Right or not.
Aiya anyway I’m not against him lah, I’m sure he’s got a big heart. But we won’t accept words without proof anymore. Just go and serve NS awhile lah, what’s so goddamn hard about it. He’s a doctor after all and he’s quite a bit older than the young NSFs, so it’s gonna be easier for him what. Not like he’s going to be subject to xiong nonsense what… Haiz…. Want to become politician must be smart la…
April 16, 2011 at 1:22 am
I agree that Singaporean guys have nothing else in common to talk about except NS!
April 16, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Brother, why bother reply to all these people they are malaysian,PRs and non citizen.come to sg and pretend they love sg puke
April 16, 2011 at 2:05 am
That is one of our National Identity, NS, so please…
April 16, 2011 at 4:31 am
To sggal n Jalapa…. Don’t go further, it’s threading on very thin ice…. Cos if the guys can’t stop talking abt NS when u r around, it could b hinting something there…. And if u have been hearing the same old Stories from different guys, perhaps u belong to a special class of female.
April 16, 2011 at 1:55 pm
I will concede that NS is a big block of time out of a mans life, but at the same time i will not budge that it isn’t as bad as most people here make it out to be.
The same way how a lot of women, make giving birth a horrible experience that no person should ever have to go through. the reality is that it hurts, but at the same time it isn’t as bad as what people make it out to be.
April 16, 2011 at 5:52 pm
(This would include your mother and sister)
gosh,
…………………..
so now you admit you are no matched for annabel cheong and YOU are ropin in YOUR mother and sister?
wow ole wow…
so when the bangalas come..who YOU pushed in front?
YOUR mother or SISTER?
April 16, 2011 at 10:30 pm
SG Gal
April 16, 2011 at 1:55 pm
I will concede that NS is a big block of time out of a mans life, but at the same time i will not budge that it isn’t as bad as most people here make it out to be.
………………
and when some poor other peoples’ son/dady died doin their national services…you would had says..just too bad..they makes a silly mistakes…lets moved on…right?
April 17, 2011 at 1:12 am
looks like you haven’t given birth yet. IMHO I think JP will be conveniently dropped from the line-up. He will have to prove his sincerity by working at the grassroots level for another term. Anyway, why do we need so many doctors in Parliament when there is such a shortage of good doctors in practice? Surely, he is not being groomed as a potential office holder?
April 17, 2011 at 11:27 am
Have u ever been asked to dig shit out of the toilet bowl just because u use the toilet during the day of a camp inspection?
one army commander hang himself in his barrack. thank goodness, He was a torturer and many future recruits are saved from his torture.
In my NS time, i have seen tank commander serving NS crushed under the tank, have you.?
so if you only know nuts, don’t keep talking cock undestand!!
April 17, 2011 at 5:49 am
Hey lame-o, no one is immortal. People die crossing the road on the way to work. Women die in childbirth. Workers die at their place of work. You are not extra special in the “poor me” oscars.
April 17, 2011 at 5:51 am
Your lack of comprehension is astounding. Maybe you will come up with new material once your balls drop.
April 17, 2011 at 11:15 am
and YOUR point being?
its all right for peasants to die while CROSSIN the road
its allright for peansant to die while childbirth which incidentally happened to a normal malay young mother in the hands of KK hospital thru negligences run by non other than leekingyou’s daughter
now you are sayin its allight for peasants’ sons/father to die in national services actives or ippt..right?
now which elite ministers’ wife/sons died on the abovementioned ground…
when did you ever see a ministers’ family crossed the road on THEIR owned?
when did you ever see an elites’ son/themselves doing the actives/ippt national services on their owned
last but not least which elite minister’s wife wasn’t given 100% medical attention when admitted to the hospital?
even leekingyou’s wife before admitted..the whole ward got to be scrub 101% clean…
April 17, 2011 at 11:16 am
and YOUR point being?
its all right for peasants to die while CROSSIN the road
its allright for peansant to die while childbirth which incidentally happened to a normal malay young mother in the hands of KK hospital thru negligences run by non other than leekingyou’s daughter
now you are sayin its allight for peasants’ sons/father to die in national services actives or ippt..right?
now which elite ministers’ wife/sons died on the abovementioned ground…
when did you ever see a ministers’ family crossed the road on THEIR owned?
when did you ever see an elites’ son/themselves doing the actives/ippt national services on their owned
last but not least which elite minister’s wife wasn’t given 100% medical attention when admitted to the hospital?
even leekingyou’s wife before admitted..the whole ward got to be scrub 101% clean…
April 17, 2011 at 11:30 am
SG GAL
Have u ever been asked to dig shit out of the toilet bowl just because u use the toilet during the day of a camp inspection?
one army commander hang himself in his barrack. thank goodness, He was a torturer and many future recruits are saved from his torture.
In my NS time, i have seen tank commander serving NS crushed under the tank, have you.?
so if you only know nuts, don’t keep talking cock undestand!!